{"id":826,"date":"2009-05-17T22:02:33","date_gmt":"2009-05-18T05:02:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/?p=826"},"modified":"2009-06-13T10:38:16","modified_gmt":"2009-06-13T17:38:16","slug":"the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/05\/17\/the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"The Spiritual Poverty of Socialism?  Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The previous post in this series is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/05\/08\/the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-i\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>First, in order to be able to talk about this, let&#8217;s agree that no purely socialist society has ever existed.\u00a0 Nevertheless, it&#8217;s reasonable to observe that some government policies and programs are more socialist than others.\u00a0 So it&#8217;s the morality of socialist policies and programs in general that is in question, without regard to whether they exist in a purely socialist system.\u00a0 In any case, experience suggests that it&#8217;s a smokescreen to argue that particular politicians or governments &#8220;aren&#8217;t socialist&#8221; in some absolutist sense.\u00a0 What&#8217;s very clear is that some policies are socialist.\u00a0 Governments and politicians who primarily pursue those policies can reasonably be called &#8220;socialist&#8221; in normal speech.<\/p>\n<p>So what ARE socialist policies?\u00a0 Basically, <strong>socialist policies attempt to disconnect outcomes for individuals from the efforts made BY those individuals, and to do so with money and other resources taken from other individuals in the form of taxes, fees, restrictions, regulations, and sometimes outright confiscation<\/strong>.\u00a0\u00a0 This isn&#8217;t a theoretical economic definition, but is rather an observation of what animates socialist policies (the disconnection of outcomes from individual efforts) and the means by which socialist policies are carried out (taxes, fees, restrictions, regulations, and confiscation).\u00a0 Call it an operational definition that allows the correct identification of &#8220;socialists in the wild&#8221; without first capturing them, checking their DNA and doing a complete morphological exam of their complete economic policy.\u00a0 If it walks like socialist, talks like a socialist, and generally acts like a socialist&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>You can look up socialism in several online references and get various definitions, some requiring &#8220;state ownership of the means of production&#8221; and &#8220;central planning of economic activity&#8221; and other things.\u00a0 The problem:\u00a0 the definition of &#8220;state ownership&#8221; is vague.\u00a0 If I theoretically own something, but the state can tell me IF I can use it, how to use it, when to use it, who I have to pay to use it, how much I have to pay them to use it, who I have to hire to use it, where I can sell it, IF I can sell it, perhaps price limitations on what I can sell it for, what kinds of conditions I am required to provide for those I hire, etc., and after all that the state confiscates a large percentage of whatever money I can make using it, even with all those restrictions, regulations and requirements, at what point does my putative &#8220;ownership&#8221; cease to mean &#8220;ownership&#8221; in the normally accepted sense?\u00a0\u00a0 Particularly if the next &#8220;owner&#8221; to whom I sell it has the same relationship with the state that I did when I owned it? And now, what if all the people who (theoretically) don&#8217;t own my property are still allowed to vote for regulations and policies and taxes that impose all the restrictions I just listed, for their own benefit as they see it?\u00a0 Who, exactly, owns my property?\u00a0 Well, quite a few of us, apparently.<\/p>\n<p>This is why those textbook definitions are of little benefit in really identifying &#8220;socialism on the ground.&#8221;\u00a0 When someone tells you that European nations &#8220;aren&#8217;t really socialist,&#8221; it means they are looking at the textbooks, instead of the realities on the ground.\u00a0 It&#8217;s like saying that the Soviet Union wasn&#8217;t really a dictatorship because they had elections.<\/p>\n<p>So, while textbook definitions of &#8220;socialism&#8221; often obscure more than they reveal, it&#8217;s easy to see that <strong>socialist policies attempt to disconnect outcomes for individuals from the efforts made BY those individuals, and to do so with money and other resources taken in the form of taxes, fees, restrictions, regulations, and sometimes outright confiscation<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Statism and socialism have much in common.\u00a0 It&#8217;s pretty safe to say that socialism requires statism to function; if there isn&#8217;t much statism going on, there won&#8217;t be much socialism, either.\u00a0 On the other hand, some forms of statism (the purely kleptocractic dictatorship, for example) aren&#8217;t particularly socialist, because they have no intent to secure ANY particular outcome for individuals other than those in power.\u00a0 So:\u00a0 all socialists are statists, but not all statists are socialists, although in the modern world most are.<\/p>\n<p>In what follows, therefore, everytime I use the word &#8220;socialist&#8221; it would be good to remember that it means &#8220;socialist and statist.&#8221;\u00a0 I just don&#8217;t want to say it that way everytime.<\/p>\n<p>Most people who reject socialism are really rejecting statism, its unavoidable symbiote.\u00a0 I am one of those.\u00a0 If there was some way of having an entire culture participate in &#8220;voluntary socialism,&#8221; where everyone worked as hard as if they were working only for themselves, and behaving as responsibly with public resources as if they were personally owned, I might be willing to consider it (though I would have several reservations&#8230;\u00a0 and since we don&#8217;t live in Heaven yet, and the Fall happened, this is a ludicrous conjecture anyway).\u00a0 For me, the deal breaker is the degree of statism that must accompany socialism.<\/p>\n<p>In the next post in this series, I&#8217;ll discuss the continuum of socialism\/statism, i.e., starting with those &#8220;socialist&#8221; policies that most of us agree about, and moving to those that are more controversial.\u00a0\u00a0 Then, we can get to the spiritual implications of all this, the moral questions, the really interesting stuff.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\u00a0 I know this has been a bit dull, but it&#8217;s about to get much more interesting.<\/p>\n<p>The next post in this series is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/06\/13\/the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-iii\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"sharedaddy sd-sharing-enabled\"><div class=\"robots-nocontent sd-block sd-social sd-social-icon sd-sharing\"><h3 class=\"sd-title\">Share this:<\/h3><div class=\"sd-content\"><ul><li class=\"share-facebook\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-facebook-826\" class=\"share-facebook sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/05\/17\/the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-2\/?share=facebook\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Facebook\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-twitter\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-twitter-826\" class=\"share-twitter sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/05\/17\/the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-2\/?share=twitter\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Twitter\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-linkedin\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-linkedin-826\" class=\"share-linkedin sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/05\/17\/the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-2\/?share=linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on LinkedIn\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-reddit\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"\" class=\"share-reddit sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/05\/17\/the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-2\/?share=reddit\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Reddit\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-print\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"\" class=\"share-print sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/05\/17\/the-spiritual-poverty-of-socialism-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to print\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to print (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-end\"><\/li><\/ul><\/div><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The previous post in this series is here. 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