{"id":437,"date":"2008-11-03T13:02:00","date_gmt":"2008-11-03T20:02:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2008\/11\/03\/the-only-way-the-government-will-get-my-401k-is-to-pry-it-out-of-my-cold-dead-fingers\/"},"modified":"2008-11-02T13:04:04","modified_gmt":"2008-11-02T20:04:04","slug":"the-only-way-the-government-will-get-my-401k-is-to-pry-it-out-of-my-cold-dead-fingers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2008\/11\/03\/the-only-way-the-government-will-get-my-401k-is-to-pry-it-out-of-my-cold-dead-fingers\/","title":{"rendered":"The only way the government will get my 401k is to pry it out of my cold, dead fingers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.usnews.com\/blogs\/capital-commerce\/2008\/10\/23\/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html\">Would Obama, Dems Kill 401(k) Plans? &#8211; Capital Commerce (usnews.com)<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I hate to use the &#8220;S&#8221; word, but the American government would never do something as, well, socialist as seize private pension funds, right? This is exactly what cash-strapped Argentina just did in the name of protecting workers&#8217; retirement accounts (Efharisto, Fausta&#8217;s Blog). Now, even Uncle Sam isn&#8217;t that stupid, but some Democrats might try something almost as loopy: kill 401(k) plans.<br \/><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>House Democrats recently invited Teresa Ghilarducci, a professor at the New School of Social Research, to testify before a subcommittee on her idea to eliminate the preferential tax treatment of the popular retirement plans. In place of 401(k) plans, she would have workers transfer their dough into government-created &#8220;guaranteed retirement accounts&#8221; for every worker. The government would deposit $600 (inflation indexed) every year into the GRAs. Each worker would also have to save 5 percent of pay into the accounts, to which the government would pay a measly 3 percent return. Rep. Jim McDermott, a Democrat from Washington and chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee&#8217;s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, said that since &#8220;the savings rate isn&#8217;t going up for the investment of $80 billion [in 401(k) tax breaks], we have to start to think about whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that&#8217;s not generating what we now say it should.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>A few respectful observations:<\/p>\n<p>1) McDermott is right when he says the savings rate isn&#8217;t going up. But the savings rate doesn&#8217;t include gains to money you invest in the stock market. It ignores the buildup of net worth. (If you bought a share of XYZ Corp. in January at $100, for instance, and its value doubled by December, the savings rate measure would still value that investment at $100. In short, the savings rate is a phony number.)<\/p>\n<p>2) So based partly on the above faulty logic, the $4.5 trillion, as of the start of the year, invested in 401(k) plans doesn&#8217;t count as savings.<\/p>\n<p>3) Ghilarducci would have workers abandon the stock market right at the bottom of the market. A stupid idea, according to Warren Buffett: &#8220;I don&#8217;t like to opine on the stock market, and again I emphasize that I have no idea what the market will do in the short term. Nevertheless, I&#8217;ll follow the lead of a restaurant that opened in an empty bank building and then advertised: &#8216;Put your mouth where your money was.&#8217; Today my money and my mouth both say equities.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>4) Ghilarducci would offer a lousy 3 percent return. The long-run return of the stock market, adjusted for inflation, is more like 7 percent. Look at it this way: Ten thousand dollars growing at 3 percent a year for 40 years leaves you with roughly $22,000. But $10,000 growing at 7 percent a year for 40 years leaves you with $150,000. That is a high price to pay for what Ghilarducci describes as the removal of &#8220;a source of financial anxiety and&#8230;fruitless discussions with brokers and financial sales agents, who are also desperate for more fees and are often wrong about markets.&#8221; Please, I&#8217;ll take a bit of worry for an additional $128,000.<\/p>\n<p>5) What effect would this plan have on an already battered stock market? Well, I would imagine it would send it even lower, sticking a shiv into the portfolios of everyone who didn&#8217;t jump aboard. But I am sure the Chinese would love to jump in and buy all our cheap stocks to fund the retirement of their citizens.<\/p>\n<p>My bottom line: If you believe in the long-run dynamism of the American economy, then you have to believe in the stock market. 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