{"id":1092,"date":"2009-09-19T20:32:00","date_gmt":"2009-09-20T03:32:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/09\/19\/afghanistan\/"},"modified":"2009-09-20T07:54:31","modified_gmt":"2009-09-20T14:54:31","slug":"afghanistan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/09\/19\/afghanistan\/","title":{"rendered":"Can we win in Afghanistan?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A couple of weeks ago, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/09\/02\/george-wills-opinion-on-staying-in-afghanistan\/\" target=\"_blank\">George Will opined that it is time to get out of Afghanistan<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.stevenpressfield.com\/2009\/09\/knowing-when-to-stop-or-learning-how-to-win\/\" target=\"_blank\">Here is yet another response<\/a>, from a man who knows a great deal about the history of the region, Michael Brandon McClellan, guest posting on the blog of Steven Pressfield, another expert on the region.<\/p>\n<p>The correct questions to ask are these:<\/p>\n<p>If we leave Afghanistan before it is reasonably stable, with a not-completely-corrupt government, what will happen next?\u00a0 Who will move into the power vacuum?\u00a0 What will be their motivations?\u00a0 Will Afghanistan be used again as a staging and training area for terrorists acts against the West, and the US in particular?\u00a0\u00a0 What can we expect to be the opinion of those whom we want to believe that we keep our promises, and carry out military actions we&#8217;ve begun?\u00a0 What will Joe Jihadi think about the resolve of the West, and the US in particular?<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s expensive for the US to be in Afghanistan.\u00a0 It costs some US lives.\u00a0 It gets harder and harder to sell back home, where the Sept. 10, 2001 mindset is on full display, and spreading fast.\u00a0 But the alternative is not peace and joy in the middle east, and a USA that is left unmolested by terrorists.\u00a0 There are forces at work in this who take a LONG view, and are willing to plan attacks on the US, or US interests and allies, attacks that may not happen for a decade, but are made possible by a US withdrawal after we&#8217;ve failed to end significant Taliban and Al Qaeda influence in Afghanistan.\u00a0 And, of course, Pakistan&#8217;s nuclear arms are much less of a threat to the world if they are in the hands of a Pakistan government that is not constantly challenged by the Taliban and Al Qaeda.\u00a0 Pakistan&#8217;s stability is undermined by an unstable Afghanistan.<\/p>\n<p>It is not good to be there.\u00a0 But it&#8217;s probably far worse to leave before it&#8217;s done.\u00a0 In the nature of things, this cannot be absolutely proved, and even if and when it works, there will be those who insist it wasn&#8217;t necessary.\u00a0 Of course, there are those who insist to this day that the US should have stayed out of WW II.<\/p>\n<p>Which proves that hindsight ISN&#8217;T always 20\/20, let alone foresight.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes you just have to muddle through and do your best, and not quit because things get hard.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE:\u00a0 George Will has posted another column, this one comparing <a href=\"http:\/\/townhall.com\/columnists\/GeorgeWill\/2009\/09\/20\/been_there,_didnt_do_that\" target=\"_blank\">the difficulty of creating a stable regime in Bosnia<\/a> to doing the same for Afghanistan.\u00a0\u00a0 He may be right.\u00a0 If he is, perhaps we should immediately withdraw our resources from Bosnia, and put it all in Afghanistan.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s those Pakistani nukes.\u00a0 It&#8217;s those guys who intend to kill as many of us as they can, when they can.\u00a0 Bosnia is no particular danger to us&#8230; yet, anyway.\u00a0 I suppose that some Islamist crazies there could also be plotting revenge on the US, for saving Muslims from the Serbs, after the manner of Saudi anger at the US for saving Saudi Arabia from Saddam Hussein in the first Gulf War.\u00a0 But we know, for a fact, what the intentions of the Taliban and Al Qaeda are.\u00a0 And we can be pretty sure of the outcome if they ever succeed in destabilizing Pakistan enough to get their hands on those nukes.<\/p>\n<p>It seems to me that Will is correct in pointing out the difficulties, but that his solution (pull out, hope, and bomb occasionally) is just feckless.\u00a0 We already know where that leads.<\/p>\n<div class=\"zemanta-pixie\"><img class=\"zemanta-pixie-img\" src=\"http:\/\/img.zemanta.com\/pixy.gif?x-id=0e385edd-fb52-827e-a21d-f33ab0c2d915\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"sharedaddy sd-sharing-enabled\"><div class=\"robots-nocontent sd-block sd-social sd-social-icon sd-sharing\"><h3 class=\"sd-title\">Share this:<\/h3><div class=\"sd-content\"><ul><li class=\"share-facebook\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-facebook-1092\" class=\"share-facebook sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/09\/19\/afghanistan\/?share=facebook\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Facebook\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-twitter\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-twitter-1092\" class=\"share-twitter sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/09\/19\/afghanistan\/?share=twitter\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Twitter\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-linkedin\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-linkedin-1092\" class=\"share-linkedin sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/09\/19\/afghanistan\/?share=linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on LinkedIn\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-reddit\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"\" class=\"share-reddit sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/09\/19\/afghanistan\/?share=reddit\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Reddit\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-print\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"\" class=\"share-print sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harmonicminer.com\/wordpress\/2009\/09\/19\/afghanistan\/\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to print\"><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to print (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-end\"><\/li><\/ul><\/div><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A couple of weeks ago, George Will opined that it is time to get out of Afghanistan. Here is yet another response, from a man who knows a great deal about the history of the region, Michael Brandon McClellan, guest posting on the blog of Steven Pressfield, another expert on the region. 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